In Game Of Thrones season 7 will we see the death of Arya Stark?
Or have we already seen it as she trained to be No One. In this Game of Thrones theory I will ask you this question ? Is Arya Stark already dead? Is that why shes not carrying out her death list ? Is a Faceless Man pretending to her? Is this the end of Arya or the end of the Starks? Are we seeing the last of the Starks?
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Jaqen H'Ghar isn't real because Jaqen H'Ghar is actually Rhaegar Targaryen
"It is all the same to the Many Faced God"
You cant be a Faceless man and kill wherever you want without consecuences. With Merrin, she ends blind. If Arya "graduates" as a faceless man she is unable to kill targets for vengeance, so, she is killing the ones the many faced god wants. She is No-One, not Arya. Arya is dead. To be no-one and be able to change faces means you kill your own personality, emotions, desires. The current Arya is acting as Arya, is easy to now she is now emotionless. She saw her family for the first time in years and… nothing. Valar Dohaeris. She is serving.
I don't think arya is a faceless man in disguise. Bran would have noticed right away. He wouldn't have given her the dagger. She wouldn't have gone back to winterfell. And it's just not a twist that would happen this late in the series. I honestly think the starks are done with their suffering.
No man. She knew the fat man who made bread.
Maybe its not true that you can only take the face of someone who is dead??
Arya's Braavos storyline made zero sense, hence people trying to theorise ways in which it does. There is no point in examining show logic because there really isn't any, D&D do whatever they want ep to ep, season to season.
Arya being dead would actually work for the show but D&D aren't brave enough to do it.
No you don't have to be dead to wear someone's face, Sansa won't be dead either when arya wears her face. Its shape shifting. The faceless men didn't remove their face either ..they change faces in a second….that can't be done if they surgically remove a face in that moment.
It seems like the show writers thinking they were being crafty, then writing themselves into a weird hole. A lot of the Braavos stuff has been questionable in it's intent, and much like Dorne falling apart in the show, this is not GRRM's failed story telling, but D&D's.
In the books, Arya's POV chapters tell us she is Arya, although she does have several of the weird titled chapters, so maybe that is GRRM's clue to us that there is something else going on. Still, all the wolf dreams seems to link that character whose POV we are in to Nymeria in the riverlands.
If Faceless Men need the face, how could both Arya and Jaqen/Unknown Faceless Man wear Arya's face at the same time?
She's dead. I can't believe people dismiss this theory so easily.
That scene was D&D showshit. Call it Arya hallucinating, or whatever, it means nothing. I think you're right that she's dead, but she died in the dark corridor when the waif killed her.
No One killed the Waif and is on their way to Winterfell.
good theory broski
what if Jaqen H'ghar is the many face good that's why he can do the things he does and kinda on the nose when arya pulled off his many faces
Staaaahhhhhp!!! This is making my brain hurt!!!!!
I asked you this straight out over a year ago & you like nah…now you are down with it, good. Now rewatch that scene when she leaves "a girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell & I'm going home" that some straight out faceless lingo right? Yeah Tony hook us up with another video
That was show only, and not in the books. No way is my girl Arya dead. Cannot this be considered that Arya is metaphorically dead – having become No One – but is truly alive. Faceless Men also use glamour
jaqen is noone
i think D &D just fucked up the continuity trying to do something "cool" or "shocking" to the audience. Arya's still alive. If not why would she be so adamant about going "home" (ie winterfell). If she was truly no one, she wouldn't have a home.
No, first off if you go by the books if she were to be dead I don't think Having chapters from her point of view wouldn't make sense. Secondly, if you are going strictly by the show if she were already dead the scene where she finally leaves the house of black n white the writers make it the main point of that episode to have ariya say that she's a Stark n she going home, if she were dead why make it so important to the audience that she realizes who she is. Lastly if she were already dead why would she go to the twins to kill the freys? N you can't argue it might be a part of the war to come cuz she specially tells Walder who she is n why she killing him. Why would a faceless man take ariya's face just to carry out her revenge
That's really Arya. She is not dead. Cause if she was who were we watching when Arya and the Waif were going through all that nonsense? Would they really do that knowing that there are just 2 seasons left? That's not enough time with all the other stuff about to jump off.
I believe when JH offers the coin to Area and changes in to the hook nose man. the man said JH is dead. in the show.
Tony Teflon The Don you are correct people got it misconscrewed when the show shows you something it is what it is people say she is hallucinating how she is not on any kind of drugs they just haven't shown us how the faceless men really work yet so there only speculating when you see Arya peeling back the faces she sees her own im not the smartest man in the world but i see what i see then she goes blind there's a clue in there somewhere we just haven't found it yet or maybe it is what it is and you don't have to be dead to wear there face
IS BRAN ALREADY DEAD?
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grrm is better than this….no, tony…this is some castle-forged, valyrian, myssa myssa type tin foil
I fuck with your channel but god damn all these theories starting to make my head hurt. I'm just gonna stick with the story that's laid out bc all these this shit make my head spin 😂
Can you please go back to deep coverage of the books like you used to. Not only are those your best videos, but they are the best on YouTube covering asoiaf, period.
This is ridiculous. Everyone is running out of material to cover
I think when you truly become no one and a faceless man you join a hive mind like a combined consciousness. As we know, George is famous for this trope. And when you do, your memories and your face become accessible to every body connected to the "faceless" consciousness. I also think when they prep a dead body its a ritual so that that individual's face and memories become part of the hive. I don't think Arya is dead, I just think through the rituals she was partly connected to the "faceless" hive and any faceless man can access her face and memories. Its less confusing in the book and very different since everyones not jagen hagar, I think the show complicated it for dramatic effect and wanted to convey there's a magic element to it rather than just cutting a face off and wearing it…
Well, Don Tony, it looks like most comments agree Arya's alive. Granted, I wrote a few of them. You promised in the Livestream yesterday (which was terrific–thank you), you'd do this, so good on ya. For all the logical reasons on both sides of the argument, I think the answer is simpler and a practical one. 1) D&D have no time to convincingly explain this sort of shell-game to the audience in 13 episodes when the fate of the world is at stake. 2) It would be way too controversial to do this sort of switch-out with one of the three most popular characters on the show. Personally, I hope and think Arya's going to survive, because she's simply one of the smartest people in the show AND a stand-in for everyone who ever went against the grain, aspired to things they were blocked from, went through a goth phase in their teens and through it all maintained a good and loyal heart. Besides which, GRRM loves Arya.
Arya is alive, and it's no use theorizing with the bullshit the showrunners come up with. None of that happens in the books, so it means it's different, so mixing the two canons it's pointless.
The faceless story arc of the show has come out bad as the Dorne story arc, why do you care about it?
The writers for the show have built a completely different mitology for the House of Black and White, disregarding the rules Martin put in place.
You talk of blood being part of the ritual when in the show there's no mention of that: it's clearly meant to be different.
I like your videos, I just don't understand why you care for the Braavos story arc, you said it yourself: when Arya was stabbed by the Waif everybody came out with theories, and most of the theories were better than the absurd Terminator/Waif chase scene that came after!
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I never trusted the waif she was jealous of arya she also knows all about her life in winterfell ,her siblings , her list,it will be bittersweet if arya died when the waif confronted her in the dark ,if arya ends up killing a loved one then that's for sure the waif wearing Aryas face.
Yes.
her training came with test first test she knew who to kill in the market but seen truant whom she killed rather then the scam artist this was to see if she would kill but she killed somebody on her list instead that's why the questions in training about her list she was made blind to further her fighting skills next test was again was to kill a target in an actress and again was threatened that it was her last chance I believe she passed this test by knowing the actress was good and was willing to die instead that sent her on her final test and that was with death . she said not today to death and either she is free now or as was told no-one or both . I believe she is free because she said I'm arya stark and I'm going home
this scene on the upload just proves me people don't have to be dead for faceless men to use their faces, they can use anyone's at any time they want. Arya is not dead!
I have seen this theory before and the reason I debunk it is because if Arya was dead there would be NO reason for the Faceless Men to continue to kill the people on her list being they are hired murderers nor would there be a reason for Arya to cling on to her memories and eventually want to go home after realizing the Faceless Men are just killers. So I say no Arya is still alive.
The bigger question is why did hbo asshats cut out arya's ability to warg. When she went blind in the show I actually thought she was warging for the first time.
If Theon begged Ramsey to cut his finger off because of the pain of it being flayed you' couldnt cope with the pain if you had your face flayed
great Video Tony!! ok if the dance master was a faceless man and he taught Arya to say not today to death and if in order to become a faceless man. one must become no-one .then she said not today to the waife and became on-one by defeating death. hope that makes sense by saying this. I think the trainers in the temple of faces are all part of death this was why they knew when she lied or told the trueth they knew all about her only a god would know. she took the waifs place . also saying by not killing the actress she was sent to kill and was able to see that it wasn't her that needed to die she passed that test and won the fight with death and became no-one in the final test. now how that plays out in the end I don't quite get it but thinking lol