Game of Thrones Theory: The Dornish Master Plan

Before anybody gets their panties twisted: This video was made with Preston's blessing, of course. There is more to the Master Plan which you can check out yourself on his channel or wait for our next podcast episode to go into it. Sorry if I sound a little different here, it was recorded when I had a cold. I've also uploaded one of the behind the scenes conversation Preston and I had on patreon that can be heard by anybody. To check it out head on over to patreon.com/redteamreview

I don't know if Preston's patrons will have access to it, that is his decision to make since it is his Patreon and I asked him if he would like the audio logs to give to them but he is deciding on what he wants to do with that.

Can someone explain to me how Dorn is now completely out of the picture after 4 sand snakes and 2 Martell die? The Dornish army still stands, and wouldn't there be a power vacuum for the seat of Sunspear?

the twist of the women killing him stunk of feminist properganda. What a waste of a potentially good story arch

0:10 "this theory is very old, 3 years after april 2017 ….."

its 2017 now though……unless…..holey shit my time machine works!!!!

OMG TALK SLOWER

If Tywin was being poisoned before he died it would explained the marked and unusual decomposition and scent that was on his body at his funeral.

Can you get your dick out of Prestons ass for a minute?
Your vids used to be awesome, but right now thinking about unsubbing.
If I liked the dude, I'd subscribe to his channel innit?

Aren't you the same mofo who used to allways diss theories and even preston a vid -.-

Ugh… Preston your so smart. So nice you let people rehash your ideas for videos. That's why your the legend.

why was Tyrion left off the hit list?

I always wanted Qyburn to betray Cersei. Since it was Talisa and Rob who save his life

hey huge fan of you and preston. i would like to hear your opinion on the pink letter mystery!😀keep up the quality videos

Where dd the three Dragon eggs come from? and are the more ?

where did the three Dragon eggs come from? and are there more?

I feel like the mountain will kill Ellaria, which I kinda of would feel bad. I somewhat like her she's hot and gets her vengeance on. Really hate melisandre

So how was Tywin poisoned? He would be extremely wary of Oberyn. Maybe Shae works for Oberyn?

Makes a lot of sense.

I thought the High Sparrow would reveal he's really Howland Reed, and he was a revenge plot against the Lannisters in retaliation to what they did to the Stark family. 
That would have been an amazing plot-twist and the show missed a great opportunity!

Hi Carmine,
I'm really excited about your new Podcast with Preston, your obvisouly really my favorite youtubers.
I like that Masterplan theory, as I like the Dornish especially Doran and Arianne and also House Lannister. x'D
Sadly that the friendship that Joanna Lannister build up with the princess with Dorne (Doran's, Oberyn's and Elia's mother) at her time in King's Landing as Rhaella's lady-in-waiting was destroyed with her death and Tyrion's birth. And was ruined by Tywin with the Sack of King's Landing and Elia's children.
Interesting would be what if, would change if Joanna lived.

A Podcast about some speculations about how some events would have changed Ice and Fire or Game of Thrones. Would be also really awesome.

Greetings

Regarding whether Tywin had been poisioned: many people including Jamie commented on how Tywin's corpse stunk like no other – maybe caused by poision?

the mountain would never turn down a fight i dont think

normally i find you a dick and i don't think you'd care but this was a great video so you won me over

You know, it makes sense why Robert Baratheon was a terrible King. He tells Ned during S1E1 in the crypts of Winterfell, on the way to pay respects to Liana Stark, while he was growing up at the Eryie that all he wanted to do was Crack Skulls & Fuck girls. But Jon Arryn set him straight.

Robert did just that during his reign. Except, he didn't get to crack as many skulls as I'm sure he'd like to. Hence Ned saying that if the King got what he wanted all the time "We'd still be fighting a damned rebellion." There's his cracking of skulls. like. After re-watching S1E1, it makes sense.

minha maior frustração com o seriado é eles não seguirem com essa plotline, resolvendo tudo de forma simplória, só para reduzir orçamento.

Preston could just replace D&D and save the tv series…

BTW, Great channel, Carmine! I always watch your stuff, and got to know preston throught you a few years back (or is it last year… don't remember)

Not sure I believe all that to honest. Just because the brave companions actions benefited Doran, that doesn't mean they are working for him; they could just be nasty people. . . like almost anyone in ASOIAF.
If your actions leading towards the destruction of lannasters is all you need to prove someone is working for Dorne, then Cersei is Doran's secret 007

it has been a while since I read the books but the reason why the Brave Companions changed sides to the Boltons was simply because the North was on the verge of taking Harrenhal, which is where they were stationed

remember at this point in time, the War of the Five Kings was going very badly for the Lannisters and it is easier to fight for the winning side than the losing one

in fact, the Brave Companions literally helped the North forces take Harrenhal by employing a trojan horse method with "North prisoners" they had captured

the leader of the Brave Companions, Vargo Hoat, even got the title of Lord of Harrenhal after the battle

this sellsword captain was shown to be entirely opportunistic because Hoat would later hope to wed Alys Karstark (who shows up in Book 5) due to her father's proclamation of offering her hand in marriage for bringing him Jamie Lannister

as for why the Brave Companions chopped Jamie Lannister's hand off – it was because of Vargo Hoat, he is the one who ordered it to be done

the reason why is because Hoat knows Roose Bolton was considering defecting his own forces away from Robb's (because the War had turned in favor of the Lannisters) and was hoping this act would be considered "sacrilege" enough to dissuade Bolton's intentions

again – Hoat is thinking more of his own self preservation and his own future interest

of course, this would hardly dissuade Roose Bolton at all but Hoat made this gamble because his "lordship" was owed to the North forces and any future prospect could only benefit him with a North victory

3:00 the reason why the Brave companions turned on the Lannisters is because Vargo thought Stannis would win the battle of the blackwater, and Vargo turned on Lorch because the two hated each other

what about the Essos part of the plan like half of it. You did not mention marwyn, sand snakes and glass candles or even Yronwood. This video needs atleast an hour.

thank you. That was great!

LuciferMeansLightbringer has some of the best asoiaf theories I've ever heard. He like analyzes absolutely everything and it blows my mind

So this is how you say Doran? 🙂

The mercenaries switching sides makes perfect sense. They do that all the time. The Second Sons fought for the Yunkai'i until they lost a major battle, then they defected to the winner, Danaerys. Then when it looked like she was losing, they switched sides again. And I believe they are going to defect yet again when the battle of slaver's bay goes against the besiegers. The Brave Companions tell Jaime that his father lost too many battles so they changed sides which is totally believable, there doesn't need to be a deeper reason than that

If this all was part of the Dornish masterplan, it was a stupid plan me thinks. Why waiting 20 years to send somebody to Westeros for killing off Tywin? Why chopping just one hand of the kingslayer off when planning to take all from Tywin what he holds dear?? Why rely on a bunch of religious fanatics to take Cersei out of the game instead of poisoning her as well??? Why not turn against Robert Baratheon because he was quite happy someone murdered Elia's children and would even have done it himself??? And most of all: Why waiting for so long for killing the Mountain? Oberyn just had to take part at some tourney to meet and to finish him. – The rest of the "masterplan" didn't work as well, because Viserys died and so did Quentin Martell. It looks like Aegon VI will turn out to be a fake – which means a marriage between him and Arianne won't happen. Non, there is no "masterplan" – only stupid ideas of Doran. Im glad the showrunners spared us with all this crap and put the Dornish story-arc to a quick end.

Why would Oberyn take the risk of stealing Maester Pycelle's poison instead of bringing his own? I know he intended on getting accused of poisoning Tywin so he could demand a trial by battle, but he could've easily been caught. It doesn't seem like a very smart idea with so much on the line.

The show doesn't cover this at all even though they had a chance when the Maester was talking about the pilfered poisons during Tyrions trial. I actually went back and watched Season 4 Episode 6. The Maester only lists what poisons were stolen not what effect they have. Such a shame to have wasted that plot twist.

I adore Preston and only found you because of him. It's easy for the closeminded to dismiss Preston as tinfoil so I appreciate you bringing his ideas into the light and challenging him. It's good for the community to have open debate and your talks have been really interesting, so thanks for that 💖

Master Plan my ass. Doran Martell was clueless, and the Sunspear stuff was boring as fuck.

dope got vid thanks for the upload

Does the dornish masterplan, here snd on Preston's channel include spoilers for ADWD?

It's a ridiculous theory. The Bloody Mummers flipped sides because Robb Stark was winning every battle. Credit to Roose Bolton for covertly convincing them, saving the captives in Harrenhal, and taking the castle in turn. Hoat saw Stannis approaching to lop off Joffrey's head, and Tywin trapped. It was a smart decision at the time. The Mummers were only a small part of the savagery that Tywin ordered across the Riverlands. Clegane and his men had quite a large hand in the desecration, themselves. It's war; terrorism. Dismemberment of Jamie was courtesy of Zollo, not Hoat. Rickard Karstark had offered his daughter, hence a LORDSHIP, to the man who captured Jamie. Cutting off the hand ensured Bolton would steer clear of plucking Jamie away from Hoat. Doran's Master Plan was revealed. A marriage pact with the late Viserys, now supplemented by Dany. That was his master stroke. Plus: Oberyn had NO FUCKING CLUE he would champion Tyrion after the Olenna (not Doran) killed asshole Joffrey. It's typical of PJ's crackpot. Any good insights he actually had were stolen from Radio Westeros or History Of Westeros.

Hey awesome video

I forgot that Preston was the one who first suggested that the brave companions were Oberyn's sellsword company. I've seen/read a lot of people theorizing he started the second sons which I don't think adds up in the timeline. Can't wait for the next episode on the Dornish (or Roynish) master plan – you guys are extremely entertaining! Ps: I think I've asked this before, so I'm sorry if I'm being annoying, but please could you ask Preston about the Twyin's-soul-is-trapped-in-UnGregor's-body theory? There's hardly anything about the theory online (probably because it sounds so crazy) but meh I'm intrigued. Cheers ✌🏽

Really cool you put a break down of some of Preston's proof of the DM.

I'm a huge believer of the Dornish Master Plan but I just noticed a thing. Why does their plan exclude Tyrion? If Tyrion has been excluded because he's a good guy then I don't get it that why are they going for Tommen then 😐

I always thought your profile pic was a cute little animal but now I just saw it properly…

It was such plot within plot elements that made me thoroughly enjoy the books and, while GRRM was working on it, the show. Sadly, only one of those two types of media retain such a careful attention to detail that theories like these, whether right or wrong, are able to even be crafted from the minutia.

Where can I find the podcast

Burn in hell, Carmine… Btw, lov ur vids. <3

I've been watching your videos for months, not realizing what your icon was, and today my 9 year old brother walks by and goes "why is that Haunter sticking up his middle fingers?". And he's right. It's a fucking Haunter. I'm an idiot

I like just about everything you've done…right up until this. What you are doing here is attempting to make sense of what is actually the weakest, messiest major part of the story. The Dorne plot is a trainwreck. Your attempt to tie it into the crazies at Harranhal (et al) is valiant, but stupid. Everything after that in this video is just making shit up. Convoluting the show with the books, as you've done here, belies your argument, and you ought to have known better. This entire premise is bullshit.