Game of Thrones/ASOIAF Theories | Tywin Lannister | The Machiavelli of Westeros | Part 4

So… if Twyin is modelled on Cosimo I de' Medici, I'd reckon Cearsei is modelled on Lucrezia Borgia.

99-100

Note: in the books, the line from Roose to Rob is "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." This is a callback to when Roose released Jaime from captivity at Harrenhall, where Jaime jests with Roose to send his regards when he hears that Roose is on the way to Edmure's wedding. While Jaime was unaware of the exact details of the plotted assassination, he does get implicated due to Catelyn overhearing those words when Rob is stabbed in the heart – leading to her blaming Jaime for the Red Wedding after her resurrection as Lady Stoneheart.

Even in death Catelyn is a real gullible dummy.

Jeyne westerlings role in the wars is very difficult for me to accept. She didnt want him to fail. She truly loved robb. Where are the facts?

Tywin lannister for president! The campaign trail will be ruthless!

I did that test and got 95 am I evil

Really enjoy your stuff, guys. But why do you believe Tyrion is a secret Targaryen? What evidence do you have from the text that legitimizes the claim?

Got 76 out of 100 on the test. Not really a clever person and it seems most people got around the same score so I guess I am average. That's good.

Score of 75 in the test my worst score since my french classes.

The Blackfish or Greatjon should have commanded the other Northern Army, Roose should have been kept very close.

I scored a 78/100. Just so's you're aware. ^_^

Discuss why tywin's victories are never complete.

CATELYN FUCKING TULLY

Like maybe she's secretly smarter than everyone and really wanted this all to happen. Maybe she finally found out the truth about Ned, Ashara and Jon, and, assuring that Sansa (her true fave because she's her mini) would be queen and getting everyone else killed, take down house Stark, and fuck Duty in the ass.
(She complains about how she "always did her duty" even when others didn't quite often, I feel like its important to note.)

Got a 70 on the test. Is that good?

Tywin the ideal machievillian…. master strategist, brilliant politician and supreme commander…. however very poor in managing his family which undoubtly leads to his downfall

Skip to 2:20 if you've just watched the previous videos and don't need a recap. Like this comment so more people will see it.

Anyone think that Tywin was sterile and all 3 Lannister kids are really Mad King bastards?

Tywin has questionable morals but Dany aside, he is the best Administrator Westeros could hope for. That is his redeeming characteristic is that he gets things done.

Scored 95!!!

The theories and analysis of every aspect of the world papa George gave us which you both present are not only fascinating and eloquent, but accurate and intelligent. I appreciate the points you both bring forth and admire the ability to smartly interpret and analyze the moves and motivations of all the characters in the texts and shows. Thank you guys for what you do…and for not being just another theory/breakdown channel of ill spoken idiots. It's truly entertaining and edifying and I look forward to each and every video you upload.

These videos are simply amazing!
These are the most detailed lore videos for asoiaf/got I've seen here.

Ok, fundamental flaw here, and this why you got to keep Machiavelli away from psychologists. First, Machiavelli stood for something. He wasn't detached, and the prince he wanted was not "detached." He had ideals on what a citizen was, and wanted a leader unite and lead Italy, so it can stand up to foreign powers, and the Church.. While this may not matter to us who weren't 15th century Italians, it certainly mattered to Machiavelli, and you cannot understand Machiavelli without keeping this in mind. Second, the essence of the Machavellian ideas on figuring stuff out was not about being detached and applying principles, but about learning from history, and about great leaders in of past, and how they succeeded, and why others failed. Trying to read Machiavelli by distilling his "principles" is to misread him. Sun Tzu can be read that way, but Machavelli, no.

I got 98/100 on the Machiavelli test… Should I be worried?

Hello I would like to say that I did your test and scored 88 out of 100 I hope that helps with your research

i had an 85 in this test anyone knows what that means?

88 on the test haha.

at 2:35 what is the name of the music

Scored a 91 on that Machiavelli test… Wonder what that says about me.

thinking about it, The Freys stayed with Roose Bolton's Army even after Robb's marriage to Jayne Westerling. This certainly clinches the theory that Roose was Turned soon after the Battle.

Amazing video, fascinating analyses. The order is sure doing the world a service. I hope to take public office someday, videos like this help me decide what kind of leader I want to be. Well, not like I don't know what kind, it helps me see ample examples and features from it essentially.

Took the MACH-IV
72/100
it appears I am more Machiavellian than I thought hmm ..

*thinking*

95. Never thought of myself this much a serpent, but I imagine Machiavellianism and a heightened opinion of oneself go hand in hand 😂
Here, you two lovebirds. Have a subscribe

You guys should definitely convert some of these videos into podcasts

They must have moved the test as it's no longer found at http://personality-testing.info/tests/

Course I could be a bad URL'er

I scored 77 out of 100.

I took the Machiavelli test and scored 62, which apparently is somewhat high.
However, I'd argue that the test has an involontary bias.
I try and harm people as little as possible, yet I answered "neutral" on many questions about morals, given that I don't believe in an objective good nor an objective evil. Moral is inherently subjective, therefore rendering such questions absurd.
You have one hour, discuss 😉

PS: thanks for another great video. You guys really put a lot of work into it and it shows. I hadn't considered this level of involvement from Tywin and especially from Rhaegar in Aerys's madness before, nor that Tywin had planned the Stark's downfall so meticulously, but you absolutely convinced me!

really nice that you guys don't mix the books and the tv show. !!! many do this to make their theories fit… (or sounds more plausible)

Great stuff about tywin!

4:35 Explains why you gave that info too easily, UNLESS…

Bolton betrayed Rob after Stanis lost the battle in Kingslanding and Lannister-Tyrell union, Dorne and Vale neutrality, Robs marriage to Jane Westerling. Roose Bolton just make simple calculations and find out that Stark-Tully union cannot win the war. If you read medieval history(England, Scotland, France, Byzantine empire, Russia) you will find that all smart lords did the same thing that Roose did.

Tywin just make good deal with smart man.

I got 80 out of 100 on the test. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

What is the picture at 1:21? At first I thought it was Jaime being inducted into the Kingsguard, but I couldn't figure out why the people.in the crowd were crying. Now I think it might be Barristan Selmy after rescuing Aerys, but I still can't figure out why the people are upset and crying. Is it the people of Duskendale?

I did the Mach test btw. I got a 66 lol. And for the video, remember, Loris Tyrell offered to lead the attack on the Mountain, but Ned denied him. Little Finger seemed suprised by this. It seems the trap was set in part by Little Finger to take out Loris at least in place of Ned

Oh god. I think I am done with you guys videos and now I am staring at the screen without knowing what to watch now.
Like I said before, this is my favorite series by you guys, I love all the others but this one is special to me because Tywin is such an intresting character.
I will go eat ice cream now out for my own mini depression, lol.

God, I LOVE this channel!

you blew my mind omg you are good