Part 1 of The Wars to Come: The identities of Oswell Whent and Arthur Dayne revealed.

Theories and analysis of A Song of Ice and Fireusing text evidence and quotes from George RR Martin.

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  1. This, alongside the true enemy, is my favorite part of your overarching theory. I find it extremely compelling, and have adopted the views after watching your kingsguard videos. 2 correlations I wonder how you think they play out (if I missed you mentioning them, I apologize)-

    Ulmer from the Kingswood Brotherhood who supposedly shot Hightower in the hand and was atop the wall when Tormund walked through it. Ulmer would have had to know what Hightower looked like. Do you think he was in on it, as a former enemy? If not, how do you deal with him?

    Allliser Thorne was a Targ knight in Robert's Rebellion. He would also know what Dane/Hightower/Whent looked like. How does he fit in the theory?

  2. the Kings gard was there to protect the baby of R Targaryion and Lyanna Stark .
    "at least that's what comes of in the show"
    Because the child Ned's Sister Told him to Protect was the rightful heir to the throne! and the situation got critical when Ned and his men fought and Arthur dyne was killed .
    not to mention Robert barrathion would have ordered the child to be killed .

  3. then how is it Brandon stark AKA the three eyed raven saw the kings guard and NED STARK and his men fighting ? in the vision Arthur DAYNE OR HOW EVER it's spelled is clearly killed ? and jhon is supposed to be lyanna and R Targaryions Son?

  4. I have a big problem with your theory: So basically you're saying the three King's Guards at the Tower of Joy killed 5 men when fighting 3v7, and also survived, and for some reason let Ned and Howland live, just to run away like they just say the don't do? Makes absolute no sense to me, and if that happened, Ned wouldn't remember having killed them.
    Also, for Dalbridge to be one of Brynden's men he would have to be one of the best marksman on westeros to join the crow's teeth, which is a group that lasted for years. So let's give it a conservative estimate and say he was an amazing archer at 15, and he joined Brynden at the same age, on the year that the crow's eye was sent to the wall, which was 233AC, which is already an incredible stretch. That would make Dalbridge, at 299AC, when he dies, an 81 or 82 year old man, depending on his birth day. Making him the third oldest living character in our story, right after bloodraven and maester Aemon. And from what Jon thinks, Dalbridge is just an aged man, not a decrepit one, and in a medieval world, a 81 year old warrior, an archer, which is a discipline that puts a lot of stress on the bones and joints is just ridiculous, also, if Jon saw a man as old as 81 years old, he would surely point it out.

  5. SOLD. Dayum.
    Bet you D&D are willing to let deets slide now because they're going to bust out the N+A=J as a plot twist and save their asses.
    Use Dany instead of Aegon though, unless that's another huge plot twist – bringing him in last minute. Killing either Dany, or Jon, or both. You just know they would.

  6. The guy in the turban, I've thought as being a Dorne soldier/knight. You also see one of Ned's companions seemingly wearing a "Vale helmet" (as per the outfits in the show). Meaning that Ned wasn't only travelling with his own sworn men,
    Seems to highlight why they all couldn't be allowed to be "let in on the secret" hence why Arthur Dayne looks around, measuring the company before ultimately giving battle, as least as it's presented in the show.

    Did they change the whole Tower of Joy scene in the show, to be able to line together all of the different plot lines together, and close plot holes they wouldn't be able to finish before the end? Or didn't Bran see all that really happened? (After all, the late Three-Eyed-Raven seemed very deliberate in what he wanted to show him. Not wanting him to continue into the tower… okay, I'll stop. I'm already too far down the rabbit hole.

    But that turban though, right? 😅

  7. Mance Rayder went to Winterfell when Robert came. And not Robert, Cersei, Ned, Catelyn, Tyrion, or even Jaime or Barristan who served with Arthur on the Kingsguard could spot and recognize him?!?! You guys have the craziest theories I've ever heard and even though there is a zero% chance of any of them being true I still love it

  8. Do you think the tower of joy dream we're all metaphors? That Howland Reed actually did something to stab Ser Author Dayne in the back or another way to put it, he betrayed him, maybe accidentally. Ser Author Dayne and his men symbolically died that day and became other people?

  9. I don't think Bloodraven is in league with the Night's Watch members who used to be the King's Guard. Bloodraven is WAY too old to know all the ex-King's Guard from so recently, and he probably would have used them to help Bran more than Jon if they were working together. We know Bloodraven works with the children of the forest, why would the children of the forest hang out with him if he was conspiring with the Watch against them? The only good reason I can think of would be if the children of the forest disagreed on whether or not to fight the White Walkers with the humans, so some fought on one side and some the other. I think Qhorin and Mance are either misinformed or ignorant when they think the children of the forest are the enemy. Or, we misread Qhorin's warnings and "the trees have eyes again" isn't necessarily referring to their enemy, he could be referring to Bran/Jojen/ other Greenseers. Or, he could have been referring to legends that associate the children of the forest with spying through the weirwoods.

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