Part 1 of The Wars to Come: The identities of Oswell Whent and Arthur Dayne revealed.
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well, Ned also said that he would eventually have to ride and deal with mance… not only that he isnt a threart.
Mance was born a Wildling but he was raised by the Night's Watch.
BUll SHIT!!!!!!
Don't believe ur right.But I enjoy ur well thought and communicated theories.Great work.
This, alongside the true enemy, is my favorite part of your overarching theory. I find it extremely compelling, and have adopted the views after watching your kingsguard videos. 2 correlations I wonder how you think they play out (if I missed you mentioning them, I apologize)-
Ulmer from the Kingswood Brotherhood who supposedly shot Hightower in the hand and was atop the wall when Tormund walked through it. Ulmer would have had to know what Hightower looked like. Do you think he was in on it, as a former enemy? If not, how do you deal with him?
Allliser Thorne was a Targ knight in Robert's Rebellion. He would also know what Dane/Hightower/Whent looked like. How does he fit in the theory?
the Kings gard was there to protect the baby of R Targaryion and Lyanna Stark .
"at least that's what comes of in the show"
Because the child Ned's Sister Told him to Protect was the rightful heir to the throne! and the situation got critical when Ned and his men fought and Arthur dyne was killed .
not to mention Robert barrathion would have ordered the child to be killed .
then how is it Brandon stark AKA the three eyed raven saw the kings guard and NED STARK and his men fighting ? in the vision Arthur DAYNE OR HOW EVER it's spelled is clearly killed ? and jhon is supposed to be lyanna and R Targaryions Son?
My favorite lines to date; "Why wouldn't he just Peace Out to Essos?" Then; "Get Rich or Die Tryin!" I'm so Done… In here cracking UP! LoLoL!
What do you guys have to say about you fellow asoiaf YouTuber Preston Jacobs
Good theory but i think there's a few holes in it that make me think its not true
So in Ned's fever dream his crew and the kings guard clash. But they are all alive? I love a good theory, but it's a lot of time the could be spent better.
love the channel
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How did Arthur Dayne and Co know that the real war was coming, following Robert's Rebellion? Were they in contact with Bloodraven? Was it the birth of The Prince that was Promised?
If these men truly are in hiding, then why doesn't Stannis Baratheon recognize Mance when he captures him?
I have a big problem with your theory: So basically you're saying the three King's Guards at the Tower of Joy killed 5 men when fighting 3v7, and also survived, and for some reason let Ned and Howland live, just to run away like they just say the don't do? Makes absolute no sense to me, and if that happened, Ned wouldn't remember having killed them.
Also, for Dalbridge to be one of Brynden's men he would have to be one of the best marksman on westeros to join the crow's teeth, which is a group that lasted for years. So let's give it a conservative estimate and say he was an amazing archer at 15, and he joined Brynden at the same age, on the year that the crow's eye was sent to the wall, which was 233AC, which is already an incredible stretch. That would make Dalbridge, at 299AC, when he dies, an 81 or 82 year old man, depending on his birth day. Making him the third oldest living character in our story, right after bloodraven and maester Aemon. And from what Jon thinks, Dalbridge is just an aged man, not a decrepit one, and in a medieval world, a 81 year old warrior, an archer, which is a discipline that puts a lot of stress on the bones and joints is just ridiculous, also, if Jon saw a man as old as 81 years old, he would surely point it out.
I like how the HalfHand asks Jon "Is your sword sharp?" Whent has a weird obsession with sharp swords, constantly sharpening it.
how did "Mance" survive getting stabbed in the back by Howland Reed?
SOLD. Dayum.
Bet you D&D are willing to let deets slide now because they're going to bust out the N+A=J as a plot twist and save their asses.
Use Dany instead of Aegon though, unless that's another huge plot twist – bringing him in last minute. Killing either Dany, or Jon, or both. You just know they would.
Also, could the two nurses in Lyanna's birth room be for mum and baby… Or two babies?
If Arthur Dayne is Mance, his cohort in the Tower of Joy Scene looks a lot like Tormund
The guy in the turban, I've thought as being a Dorne soldier/knight. You also see one of Ned's companions seemingly wearing a "Vale helmet" (as per the outfits in the show). Meaning that Ned wasn't only travelling with his own sworn men,
Seems to highlight why they all couldn't be allowed to be "let in on the secret" hence why Arthur Dayne looks around, measuring the company before ultimately giving battle, as least as it's presented in the show.
Did they change the whole Tower of Joy scene in the show, to be able to line together all of the different plot lines together, and close plot holes they wouldn't be able to finish before the end? Or didn't Bran see all that really happened? (After all, the late Three-Eyed-Raven seemed very deliberate in what he wanted to show him. Not wanting him to continue into the tower… okay, I'll stop. I'm already too far down the rabbit hole.
But that turban though, right? 😅
There are equally, if not more, connections between Rhaegar and Mance.
Mance Rayder went to Winterfell when Robert came. And not Robert, Cersei, Ned, Catelyn, Tyrion, or even Jaime or Barristan who served with Arthur on the Kingsguard could spot and recognize him?!?! You guys have the craziest theories I've ever heard and even though there is a zero% chance of any of them being true I still love it
I am very impressed by the level of in dept you point out. And dedication. Love it. Thank you 🙂
Do you think the tower of joy dream we're all metaphors? That Howland Reed actually did something to stab Ser Author Dayne in the back or another way to put it, he betrayed him, maybe accidentally. Ser Author Dayne and his men symbolically died that day and became other people?
I usually like your videos, but this one is completely out in left field.
I don't think Bloodraven is in league with the Night's Watch members who used to be the King's Guard. Bloodraven is WAY too old to know all the ex-King's Guard from so recently, and he probably would have used them to help Bran more than Jon if they were working together. We know Bloodraven works with the children of the forest, why would the children of the forest hang out with him if he was conspiring with the Watch against them? The only good reason I can think of would be if the children of the forest disagreed on whether or not to fight the White Walkers with the humans, so some fought on one side and some the other. I think Qhorin and Mance are either misinformed or ignorant when they think the children of the forest are the enemy. Or, we misread Qhorin's warnings and "the trees have eyes again" isn't necessarily referring to their enemy, he could be referring to Bran/Jojen/ other Greenseers. Or, he could have been referring to legends that associate the children of the forest with spying through the weirwoods.