You likely know singer-songwriter Sophie Allison better by her stage name, Soccer Mommy.
Allison has been releasing music under the moniker since 2015. First, by herself on Bandcamp, then on Fat Possum, and now on Loma Vista. Her most recent album, 2020ās Color Theory, was her first to make Billboardās alternative albums chart and arrived less than two weeks before United States COVID-19 lockdowns began.
We spoke with her by phone to discuss her songwriting, pandemic projects, video games, and howātwo years laterāSoccer Mommyās Midwestern fans will be able to hear those songs live for the first time.
The Pitch: You spent your freshman year of college at NYU, which included a music business program. What lesson from your time spent there would you want to impart to someone going through a similar experience?
Sophie Allison: Iām not much of a businesswoman. I kind of leave that up to a lot of other people, but I think if someoneās trying to be a musician and deal with the industry, then one of the most useful things is kind of not getting caught up in trying to do things too fast, and trying to spend money to make money.
I always, personally, was very against spending a lot of money on things like a manager or something when I didnāt have the money to pay for it. I donāt think you should be going into debt when you donāt even know if your career is gonna take off. So, thatās probably the most important thing in my mind.
Multiple songs earlier in your career discussed the idea of ābeing cool.ā At the end of Clean, you mentioned moving past worrying about that, but have there been moments since when that worry has returned? What do you feel is ācoolā in general right now?
I think for me, the end of the album [Clean] was more like, āI donāt need to prove myself.ā Specifically when I was going off to college, it was such a thing of likeāI felt like I needed to go do this because I could.
I think that the lesson I kind of learned in the end of writing that a little bit was that you donāt have to always do what is expected and what seems like the right choice or the good choice.
I think that by the time I had written that, I was ready to drop out of college and go pursue music (or take a leave; I can always go back), but I was kind of over needing to go get a degree, and be successful, and prove that I could excel, I guess.
Writing the song didnāt necessarily get me there, but I wrote the songs because I got thereāto the point of being like, I want to do what I want to do, and Iām not gonna just try to do things to follow what Iāve always thought I was gonna do. So, I guess itās just kind of about being ready to follow your own path a little bit, as cheesy as that sounds.
What do I think is cool right now? I mean, thereās a lot of really cool stuff right now. I think the idea of ācoolā in general is so all over the place. Like what you like. Even the really cheesy stuff is cool.
I love the new Weeknd album. That was really cool. Iāve been liking the new Caroline Polachek song. Thatās pretty cool. I love some shitty fantasy TV show that is only going to get a season on Netflix or Hulu. I love stuff like that, even though I can acknowledge that theyāre really bad.
I love that show Fate: The Winx Saga. Oh, I just saw The Batman last night, and that was pretty cool. A little lengthy, but the vibe was really sick. Itās kind of like emo noir.
Alright, so you say you like shitty fantasy shows. Were you a big Game Of Thrones fan?
I was not a Game Of Thrones head. I just watched the last season, which I know sounds really weird. I watched the entire last season as it was coming out because my roommate was watching it. So, I saw the entire ending, and I got the lowdown. But I donāt know, it just seems a little intense. I love fantasy stuff, and I love dark stuff, but I like there to be a little magical whimsy, I guess.
That makes sense. Game Of Thrones gets kind of dark and heavy.
I was entertained by the last season, even though I know everyone was upset, because obviously, I didnāt really care what was going on.
But thatās probably why I enjoyed watching it. I did see some flaws, of course. As did everyone else. But thatās just because I literally had my roommate tell me everything that had already happened every time something would happen like, āHereās the backstory.ā Itās like I watched the whole show [laughs].
On your most recent album, Color Theory, there were more electronic sounds and forms of digital manipulation than heard on your previous albums. Since you have your next album mostly wrapped up, can you talk at all about the production and arrangements on new songs compared to your past work.
Itās still got the upbeat, straightforward pop songs and stuff, but itās also a little weird at points. I think thereās more and less.
I think that thereās less drum machineāthereās not a lot of that going onāthereās a lot more live drums and live band takes that have all this weird shit around them. But thereās definitely a lot of stuff that you have not heard me do. So, thereās definitely stuff to be intrigued by, I guess.
Well, weāre intrigued! You have at least one or two songs with lyrics about sitting around in your bedroom, and you also got your start by recording your own songs at home. Do you spend a lot of time inside? Did the pandemic make you a more outdoorsy person than you were before?
I wouldnāt say Iām the most outdoorsy person, but I like the outdoors a lot. I donāt go camping all the time. Iāve done it before, obviously, but I did a lot of outside stuff for the pandemic, of course.
In Nashville during the summer, I spend a lot of time outside, especially at night just because thereās a lot of nice little outdoor places to go, like, sit in the field with a blanket and a candle and chill with your friends or something.
I started going and playing tennis, or basketball, or whateverānot actual basketball games, but shooting hoops with Julian [Powell].
What can you tell us about writing, recording, and releasing your song ārom com 2004ā and the remix Kero Kero Bonito did?
Oh, yeah, that was really cool. Basically, I originally wrote it because someone from a Netflix show or something was looking for a song for a rom-com.
So, I wrote a song and then decided, actually Iām gonna use that [for myself]. And then I wrote ārom com,ā and I was like (again), actually, Iām gonna use that also [for myself].
Lyrically, itās not very inspired, because it was just supposed to be kind of fun and wacky. It doesnāt feel like some really personal truths or something that Iām sharing with the world.
It was my kind of writing for a rom-com. But yeah, I ended up having this demo and working with BJ Burton. Basically, I just sent him the demo, and he messed with it a bunch and kind of bumped it up, and it was awesome, ācause heās really cool.
So we did the song, and obviously, during the pandemic, there wasnāt a lot of music coming out, and there wasnāt touring revenue. Remixes are a good way to give people something new, even though youāre not actually having anything new.
Iāve always been a person who is cool with remixes, but it has to be someone who makes sense and works. KKR is really awesome, and they did a really cool job, so I was super down with it.
Do you ever see yourself writing songs for other artists?
Yeah. I didnāt start writing stuff that really felt personal to me until I was, like, 17 and Iāve been writing since I was like five or six years old.
So, I donāt think that I need some kind of personal, unique inspiration to write a song that I like. Sometimes I just want to write something catchy and fun. You just have to kind of put yourself in a place of a story that youāre trying to tell and try to write from a point of view. Like any other type of writing.
I have always thought I would be down to write and give somebody a pop song, but I donāt like co-writing, so I wouldnāt actually want to sit down and write it with them, which is kind of how everything is these days. So I think itās probably unlikely.
I also think that if I wrote a really good pop song, it would most likely be something that I would just rather use [laughs]ā¦and make all the money off, if I thought it was something that I was really happy with and really proud of.
The only way I could see it happening is if I wrote something that was, like, so out of my musical realm, but I really thought was cool and didnāt think I could sing something in this kind of way and get the vibe right. So, thatās really rad to see that kind of happening, because I donāt want to co-write with people, ever, I donāt think.
Youāve always incorporated video games into your album art and social media presence. Which games are you bringing on tour? Whatās that look like?
I havenāt been gaming that much lately, but the last thing I was playing was PokĆ©mon Diamond, and that was really cool. I just kind of got busy, and I kind of lost track of it, but I need to hop back in.
I love video games, but itās a very small array of video games that I play. Harvest Moon, Stardew Valley, and PokĆ©mon pretty much. I like that new Zelda game. And Iāll play Kirby Air Ride. Thatās the kind of stuff I like.
One game that I occasionally break out is called Spider-Man: Friend Or Foe. Iāve definitely gone through phases of playing, like, some Black Ops, but thatās over a little bit. The shooting games just stress me out a little bit too much.
Since most of your gaming is with Nintendo, have you ever had any contact with the company? Should we expect some kind of partnership?
Oh, I donāt know. I donāt think we have any contact with them. I feel like Nintendo doesnāt do as much stuff with artists as Xbox and PlayStation.
Iāve talked to the Stardew Valley guys before. Iāve done it a couple timesāwhere Iād livestream myself playing Stardew Valley. I watch a lot of video games, because Julian plays more action-y stuff. I like to watch them instead of having to try to kill things.
Soccer Mommy plays The Granada (1020 Massachusetts St., Lawrence, KS) on April 10, 2022 with support from Peel Dream Magazine. Tickets are on sale here.