War In Fantasy: Game of Thrones vs Lord of the Rings

Winter came for you guys…

why are they so cute?

Really enjoyed the very end of the video.

Good discussion, I think you addressed the differences pretty well – in LOTR war is more personal, in ASOIAF war is more conceptual reflecting both authors very different perspectives.

Lord of the Rings is the story about a war that will never be necessary in our world. But it creates the idea that we can overcome our problems in the world by war. But there is no Sauron. There are only human beings and the system we live in.

Why could you only find video sources in 240p?

japanese counted the victory of enemies by removing there head or nose with the upperlips colllected in a carriage

I learned something today: why a shield is called a buckler. It derives from bouclier.

How convenient it is to be ethically opposed to the only war that you ever had even the remotest chance of being conscripted for.

"when you think about it, Tyrion killed a bunch of people and he doesn't have any scars"
apart from getting his head split open sure, no scars at all

Is being more "realistic" really an endearing agjective for an "epic fantasy"?

If you look at the situation in Gondor in the third age, The fued between the Elves and the Dwarves… etc… it basically mirrors GOT. Corrupt nobles fighting over a thrones and stupid power struggles. Tolkien just focused on the greater story, not so much the politics. But the politics is certainly there. Tolkien wanted to create an epic, not get bogged down in small squabbles. Martin bascially took Tolkien's world and focused it into a specific segment. He didnt do anything knew, just took War of the Roses history, painted it with Tolkien and created GOT.

in the last Yara Greyjoy chapter there is a iron born character yelling out how many kills he has in the fight, I totally though of Legolas and Gimli

Hey you two William the conqueror is the great great great great great grandson of big Rollo in Vikings.

Another great one!

A Song of Ice and Fire > Lord of the Rings > Game of Thrones

If you think about it LoTR could be a story written by a character in ASOIAF. But you can't say that the other way round.

I'm an obsessive ASOIAF fan, but I've recently been getting back into LOTR.
These videos are perfectly crafted for me so, thank you for that!!!
Much love from Canada!!!

What is interesting is that Tolkien experienced war firsthand when he fought in war while Martin sat on his fat ass during Vietnam.Yet Tolkien thinks war should be between good and evil . Martin is realist while Tolkien is idealistic about war,that it should serve some higher purpose rather than the war he experienced, quite interesting to think about.

Theo rocking Jordan IVs, R.E.S.P.E.C.T..!!!

Awesome video as usual!

Hm, every video you make comparing LotR and Song of Ice and Fire I remember why I love Tolkien so much .. while you got back into rereading GRR I got back into JRR 😁

I was drinking a cup of tea when you did the "have you been to war"/ "don't f**king touch me" part and actually spat it out laughing. You buggers, that was really funny! On a different note, I always equate the weakness's of the various peoples of middle-earth, with the failure of the political left in Europe during the inter-war years (in France and Britain especially). I'm not sure if that is at all what Tolkien intended but it is a period I studied at both BA degree level, and (touched on) in my Masters and perhaps because I am so familiar with it, it appears to fit. I do remember however, that Tolkien rejected 'allegory' as a conscious story-telling device and preferred the reader to find his/her own meaning in the text, so maybe that is just what I have done. Best wishes, from Suffolk, England, I really enjoy this show. Keep up the excellent work (you owe me a cup of tea!) 🙂

"Ivanhoe, is the story of a Russian farmer and his tool" Bart Simpson.

You can see both writers different understanding of war is that GRRM mostly shows the human cost of war by way of the direct victims of it. The famer whose fiewlds are burned, the women raped, etc.
Tolkien puts his own experience in the trenches into his writing and is more effective in conveying a feeling of suffering among those fighting, I feel.

At work now but looking forward to watching this later when I'm home! Thanks guys