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  1. Concerning your question at the end. If you are suggesting that Arya potentially gains traits or absorbs personality or magical abilities from the people whose faces she swaps into, I don't think so. Although it brings up some interesting subjects to talk about. Like what might happen if she did a Wight or Walker or even the Night King. Perhaps an animal or children of the forest. How about if she did Bran?.It would be fairly damn cool if she did a Wight or Walker in order to spy on the Night King, maybe take him out somehow. Just a spy mission to gather info would be fun to see. If Bran wasn't the window into all things hidden, there'd be a reason for it.

    I don't think any transferring goes on mostly because she has swapped faces numerous times now and her personality and abilities have not changed much except as you expect (or can accept) it would simply through learning from the experience. That and it just doesn't work mechanically or culturally for me. She did Walder Frey but has no great desire to marry half the men in the North. Or to sit around being lazy, self-absorbed, and slow. She seems frankly quite uninterested in anything romantic with anybody, still…except possibly when it does not involve herself. Sexually speaking she takes after her Tully ancestry — she is one cold fish. And she has only gotten more hyperactive if anything since avenging the Red Wedding. If traits are absorbed or transferred you'd expect maybe something of Walder to show up in her.

    I suppose it could be different for each and every face/former person. And therefore doing Melisandre could end up as you propose. But I just don' t buy it, from what I've seen so far anyway. I believe the face swapping bit is a very complicated, intricate, and detailed skin-deep facade that provides a pretty near ideal disguise, but nothing more. It is evidently psychologically impactful to experience it, at least for Arya, but I haven't discerned any significant differences in that from face to face. Only an overall trend with her morality that is quite stable and constant in its progression. As I see it, the effect on her has to do with the ability not the face. The face changes, the ability does not. She is obsessed with being able to be accepted unquestioningly regardless of how she chooses to present herself. Who wouldn't be? It's a fantastic power. But her obsession is not with a particular face as you would expect if every one of them gave some sort of different "gift". This isn't going to devolve into Golem and The One Ring. What she is into is the ability. So that sort of tends to imply there is nothing transferred.

    Imagine if she did Jaimie Lannister. Would she become the best with a sword then? But what if that happens and then Jaqen H'ghar uses the face also. Now who is best? If you aren't able to logically choose one of them, then it would be absolutely impossible for anybody to ever become the best. To the extent that the concept of one becoming the best would have never been conceived in the first place, and therefore nobody would either strive for or care about the title. Since it has no meaning or worth and anyone claiming it would be immediately regarded as a fool and liar.

    Also if traits are transferred then you would expect that the House of Black and White would include as part of their training the wearing of specific faces that promote or grant particularly desirable traits and abilities in their recruits. For example, why put Arya through all the blinding and beatings and undertaking and brainwashing and spirit breaking, which takes years to complete, if the results could be achieved in an afternoon with a stack of faces from the recruits who didn't make it or with a few dead masters? Where was the specially guarded area for housing particular faces that grant traits worthy of protection from everybody or maybe endowed upon only the chosen few? Yet we saw none of that either. All faces are treated uniformly whenever they are seen. Like provisions.

    Additionally, every Faceless Man who has been around long enough to wear enough faces would tend to act and have the traits and personality and abilities identical to every other veteran Faceless Man. They'd all end up like clones of each other in every sense except appearance and presentation. Of course, since we are not permitted to meet and inspect but the one, it could be the case that they are indeed like this. We have nothing to compare him to so… I conclude it more likely that there exists only one Faceless Man.

    I will be surprised if Arya kills Melisandre and here's why. If she does, then Melisandre's line about "We will meet again" creates an awfully big plot hole. If she see's her own death in Arya's eyes when they meet again, and Arya kills her, then she must have seen Arya killing her when she looked into Arya's eyes ,right? She states that she sees Arya killing people. She doesn't identify any of the victims, but she definitely recognizes Arya. After all, that's when she makes the supposed discovery about her own death. That's the moment she learns of it. So why would she show up for the meeting when it comes? It doesn't make any sense for her to voluntarily submit to a death she knows about in advance. She may be ready to die, prepared, but she doesn't yearn for it at all. She wants to do her mission. Same mission she's had forever. And it isn't done yet. If she was inclined to that sort of solution, she'd have done it long ago. She is one fine example of self preservation in my view. I have to conclude that what she saw did not involve her own demise. Else she'd simply avoid it if for no other reason than to simply further her goal. And if she avoids it then she could not possibly have seen it to begin with. Unless she sees falsely which is a reasonable possibility I guess, but not one that has been forwarded much if at all. The impression I've always had is that her visions are true ones…although evidently vague, incomplete, and nonspecific. She does struggle with interpretation so it is possible she saw her death but does not interpret it correctly. But then she wouldn't recognize it as death. Yet it was specifically death she said she was seeing when she was looking into Arya's eyes. In my opinion, logically it could not have been her own.

    This is not to say Arya won't kill Melisandre. Rather that Melisandre did not ever see it if that is what will occur. If Arya kills her, Mel must be blindsided…or suicidal all of a sudden.

    The thing I wonder about this scene is whether Mel sees Arya's death instead. Mabye even Arya killing Arya. It seems like a direction her character might end up going in. I question Arya's mental fortitude after everything she's gone through. Outward signs are not looking good to me. As her list shrinks, her desire to keep it filled intensifies. Along with her reliance on it. The requirements to get on it are relaxing. Eventually she will have to confront the prospect of an empty list. I foresee an epic morality struggle in her future. In the end it could very well be the case that Arya is killed by a poisonous story about a rogue named Willem.

  2. I think Melissandre's face would be old and wrinkled once she died and her magic faded the illusion, so it wouldn't be helpful for Arya to take it. Arya might be the one to kill Mel, but she might have to wait in line behind Davos, Brienne or Jon for the privilege. I also don't see any reason for Arya to kill her anonymously; she can use her own face and no one would complain.

  3. I just want everyone to remember that when Arya first goes in the house of black and white Jaqen says she isn’t ready to become no one, but she is ready to become something else. So it seemed Jaqen didn’t expect her to complete her tests successfully. Just a thought

  4. You are not watching or listening careful… #1 Brown eye, green eyes, blue eyes – refer not to Aryas many identities like you suggested, but to people she will kill, cause Mel says right after – "Eyes That You will shut forever", #2 Not sure why you decided that Mel handing out with Varys, when she said goodbye to him at the beginning of the season 7 and told him that she is going to Valantis… But will be back to "this strange land to die, as you are"

  5. We know Melisandre told Varys they are to die in "this strange land", but will it be by Arya? I don't think so. I think they will be on the same side fighting against the NK, and in that battle, Melisandre will die, maybe by Davos, he did say if he saw her again he'd do it. And he has more justice in killing Melisandre than Arya.

  6. I'm still not convinced that area ever left that room the waif cornered her in alive… bran the emotionless may have seen it, but knows how important it is in the grand scheme, and nymeria may have smelled aryas scent, but faceless men take on so many traits from the faces, can they take their essence too? The game of faces, they learned a lot about aryas past, and who she was and who she knows and her attitude as a highborn… it seemed to me when she was going to kill the queen, and ended up going to winterfell, it was more out of curiosity then an actual homecoming reunion with her family… and I got this theory from you! I gave it a lot of thought, it was disproven with brand and nymeria, but the things I just said made.me rethink this theory.

  7. I dont think arya will be the 1 to kill mellisandre ,she might get severely injured and mellisandre could save her ,or they might just meet like the 1st time with the brotherhood and mellisandres got her old folk face on.i just think its too obvious arya killing her.i think shele be burned by dragon fire ,mabye varys too,tyrion could inadvertently get varys killed through jealousy between jon and dany.

  8. Gendry forgave The Brothers Without Banners. So if Arya ever meets Gendry again knowing he's alive and well, I doubt she'll still hold a grudge against Melisandre.

  9. Melisandre has shown she isn't always right and her magic doesn't work at times like with the child burning at the stake. This component makes me question any storyline that is predicted.

  10. Arya will kill Mell and Mell will let her cause she saw it in her flames.. the Gods demand it of mell…only life can pay for death…and Arya was trained to kill one specific person meant to die.

  11. Yes. Excellent theory. She is afraid of Arya. I think Arya will kill her. That's an intersting question about Melisandre's face, tho. The handsome brunette is all magical illusion. Her true face is ancient and saggy and lined like a roadmap. So if Arya takes her face, will she get the handsome brunette or the white-haired old crone?

  12. I think Arya is “no one”. She is not the person she was when she arrived in Bravos. Her own sister did not recognize her and said as much. There is still some “Arya”, there but not much. There is “no one” and then there is no one.

  13. the red woman clearly says "eyes you will shut forever" doesn't that mean people she will kill on her list? Blue eyes meaning the red woman, green probably cersei and brown maybe meryn trant? Since at that point she didn't kill him yet.

  14. @ around 2:25 you say "Arya aborts her mission to become a Faceless man, to which Jaquen H'gar states that she truly has become No one" .. but that's not accurate. Jaqen says that Arya has become no one, but THEN Arya reveals that she is aborting her faceless man mission (that's how I remember it going down anyway. I'd have to double check) . At first glance it might not sound like much of a difference, but I think it is a big difference, especially since Jaqen still nods his approval after she reveals that she is still "Arya Stark of Winterfell", not "no one", and just used him all that time for the training and he will not be getting his end of the bargain with a new "employee" or whatever.
    Also, I'm pretty sure Melisandre is not still lurking around Dragonstone "watching the characters there". I think she left the same day that Jon showed up because he was there for weeks and then left for a month or so and came back. He would have found her if she was still there for any of that time I'm sure.

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